Dead turbo and Recall 06E16

[NASCAR Mike]

My turbo died at 4700 miles this past week. I noticed a lot of black smoke out my exhaust pipe and the X was very very sluggish. The CEL also came on.

Dealer ran codes and it said turbo has no boost pressure. The dealer replaced the turbo under warranty and then reflashed the computer with Recall 06E16.

I thought I should have gotten 06E17? The build date on my X was 07/2005.

Should I go back to the dealer?

 

[TexasExcursion]

My turbo died at 4700 miles this past week.

Any other symptoms besides black smoke and no boost pressure?

 

[NASCAR Mike]

No other symptoms other than feeling like someone removed my turbo.

Dealer told me the vanes on the inside of the turbo got stuck. They told me it looked like someone dropped the turbo before it was installed and it was just a matter of time before it broke.

 

[powerboatr]

No other symptoms other than feeling like someone removed my turbo.

Dealer told me the vanes on the inside of the turbo got stuck. They told me it looked like someone dropped the turbo before it was installed and it was just a matter of time before it broke.

that is very ODD,
just stopped working? did you get to see it? was it bound up or missing pieces?
I ask becuase it seems to be the illness of choice lately for ford dealers, "a new turbo wil fix it" sort of like penicillin fixes everything.

did it happend overnight? or did the boost start dropping off days before?
oil pressure fluctuations?
egtst jump around high or low?
thanks

 

[bushpilot]

I SERIOUSLY doubt the turbo is built at the ford factory...and a DROP
would not come close to damaging the vanes w/OUT cracking the
housing.

seems to me if it were damaged at or before installation it would have
never run right let alone taking 4700mi to fail...

 

[powerboatr]

yep I agree
to me it seems lately the techs are blaming( going on guidance from above ) every thing on the turbo, they found a comon cure and use it, got to be costing the ford and garret or who ever is building them now tons of $$ in rebuild/waranty costs

my geuss is its oil about oil and cleanliness, the filer set up has a big weak link and i am not sure its even cared about. the drain valve gets stuck OPEN very easy when you change filters, so you get oil pressure but its all getting UNFILTERED, and starved at higher RPMS.


i think my turbo just failed
my a/c is not cold enough, has to be the turbo
would love to see pictures of these so called bad turbos.
maybe its a silent recall or something

 

[bushpilot]

but if its oil/supply/pressure then it would be a BEARING failure NOT a vane issue...

 

[powerboatr]

the vanes are actuated with oil pressure, so if the tiny orfice is clogged with a piece of junk or low pressure it may not rotate the guide ring correctly or not at all which allows us to build boost
but i am purely speculating

the bronze bushing bearings dont need alot of PSI, however as pressures build and side loading increase, a drop or restrcition could be BAD

I am just not convinved the turbos are all bad.
the actuation ring for the vanes may stick? why? we have a very similiar set up on trubine engines and our actuation mechanism are expsoed to the world and they dont fail nearly as much if at all

dirty oil from bad filtration is my geuss

 

[bushpilot]

powerboatr im w/ you...and i forgot about the VGT actuation...
i can see the vgt vanes sticking from oily-soot but not in 4700 miles
(ive got 36k & havent had any issues...knock on wood)

i wonder if oil galleys/passages are not clean/blocked from trash
during the casting/assembly process...

 

[powerboatr]

bush pilot
see how it all starts to come together
I stumbled on the lack of filtered oil by happenstance, doing my oil guard istall so its very easy to get the filter in cocked enough to not seat the drain valve, then we got oil pumping around picking up dirt, crap, casting debris and it has to go somewhere, just like plaque in an artery, it finds a narrow passage and BAM no flow, the vgt actuator i bet is a small deal . .020" or less
so even if some passes by its not enough and then things start going bad and a speed dependant on dirt levels or driving habits