What is the deal

[DaveBen]

CAT has stated that they do not want any part of the small truck market. They don't have the motor in their inventory and they don't want to develop one. And Ford does not own CAT.

Dave

 

[BamaSixGun]

You are slightly wrong. Max GVWR is the maximum amount of weight you can legally have on both axles when you're fully loaded and includes the pin weight of whatever trailer you're hooked to. The rating is conservative (hell, even I've been over MaxGVWR a handful of times) but Ford's lawyers probably want things that way.

jv, you really didnt state which part i was wrong on.

i stated that my combined GVWR was 9900 on the truck, 14,000 on the trailer for a total of 23,900.

rooster had stated that his truck weighed in at around 7700, and his GVWR was 12,000, and so he had a payload rating of 5000lbs (2.5 tons????) i dont see an F250 having a 2.5 ton payload capicity.

i didnt state it, but yes the GVWR includeds all that you are carrying with you in the truck.

so i was right, i just left ot some vital info. thanks for helping me see that.

EDIT: jv, i see where i missed it now, i wasn't sure about the payload included in the GVWR, rooster's sounds like its off a good bit to me.

 

[no-red 6 0]

i am licensed to 21000#. total truck/trailer combo. weight. i paid extra for it (and boy did i)

truck: 9900
trailer max: 14000
total: 23900#

truck & trailer scale out to ~12200-12300# (depending on how much i ate that day)

on any load i scale out to 21000# - legal tab carrying weight.

p.s. all by pintle receiver pull... and i would agree, no f250 is gonna carry 2.5 tons!!!

 

[Nasty]

F350+

on occasion, I have carried a payload of 6000+ lbs plus I have an inbed auxilary fuel tank that holds about 400 litres (100+ US gals) in my 04 F350 with duals and the Firestone air bags. am sure I wouldn't like to carry 5000 lbs in a 250 more than a cpl blocks. I also believe that the manufacturer tells us that all weights are dry meaning that one has to add in any fuel+passengers+whatever else a person might normally hawk about.

 

[roosterdiesel]

My bad....if you look I wrote IIRC(if I remember correctly.) Well I didn't.


I don't have a door sticker(body shop failed to replace) but I have done some reading elswhere. GVWR is 9900lbs from what I've read. I think my truck weighs around 7000lbs being a 2wd SC not a CC, not sure when I have a full load of fuel though(~140g.) for the confusion.


I do KNOW that combined weight rating is 20,000 per the manual. I've been over that a few times.

 

[BamaSixGun]

rooster, i thought your payload you were talking about was in the bed of your truck, i went back and looked at your post again, i see now that you were talking about the payload on your trailer.

that was my bad buddy.

 

[no-red 6 0]

Nasty: are u saying u hauled 3 tons of material + 800# of fuel??? (just assuming fuel weighed 8#/gal - similar to water)... that my friend is crazy.

i have hauled 1 pallet of 27 block @ 82# each=2214#. that weight flattened the springs. there is no way i could have put a feather in the back much less 4k+ more worth of material.

all of this was in a SB, i don't think a LB would have made a difference. 9900 is 9900#.

 

[addicted]

Well by nicer truck I just meant it is comming with more options and creature comforts for the same price. Also I haven't done it with the new trucks but when I tore apart my dads old Toyota (little bitty one jacked up) and then one of our freinds Chevy's (not saying that they are Ford just comparing american trucks) Ball joints and supporting drivetrain components were all built bigger and stronger and it was a smaller truck.

I agree you are right though. When I leave the cities that are far away from anything else you see a lot of loyal drivers. A Dodge Town here or a Ford town there. On top of that I've noticed they don't have much choice. May only have a Ford or a Chevy dealer in town.

It is true the loyalists will stick to them. I'm partial to the Few fords I've owned and could not be more happy with my truck. But for those future markets (that will be buying all the cars in the next decade) FMC better step up to the plate.

Again nothing against FMC I'm a Ford guy I just worry as the Japanese Automakers are kicking but....I think the numbers speak for themselves.

 

[Nasty]

Nasty: are u saying u hauled 3 tons of material + 800# of fuel??? (just assuming fuel weighed 8#/gal - similar to water)... that my friend is crazy.

i have hauled 1 pallet of 27 block @ 82# each=2214#. that weight flattened the springs. there is no way i could have put a feather in the back much less 4k+ more worth of material.

all of this was in a SB, i don't think a LB would have made a difference. 9900 is 9900#.

yeppers....crazy would be the word.....mid-December...my load was 5550 papers @ 124 pages per...calc at .009 lbs per page...you do the math....think you will find that it was in excess of 6000Lbs...would never have happened had I had some prior knowledge....company paid a handsome premium fro that trip I assure ya.

 

[fordtrucker4life!]

CAT has stated that they do not want any part of the small truck market. They don't have the motor in their inventory and they don't want to develop one. And Ford does not own CAT.

Dave

I wouldn't be that hard for CAT to develop an inline six diesel for pickups. The 3116 they had is very close to a 5.9 cummins. CAT powered pickups would sell easily. Now CAT not wanting to go that way puzzles me, unless they are worried about warrenties.