proper procedure!!

[no-red 6 0]

i would like to pass along this psa (public service announcement)...

it seems that i may have been changing my oil WRONG since day one. it has come to my attention that the proper was to change the oil in our 6ers is to:
1. spin the cap loose (leave it in the canister)
2. crawl our fat butts underneath, pull the drain plug and let drain to a drip.
3. go back up top, replace filter, screw cap back on
4. crawl back under and put in drain plug.
5. go back up top and install 15 quarts (users choice)

now here is a different option (slight variation)
once the plug is removed some wait 10-15 minutes (or 2-3 liquid beverages) and by that time the oil has drained out of the paper element and it is pretty empty.

what i was doing (and perhaps some of you as well) was draining the pan, r&r the filter and pouring in 15 new quarts. WELL, what is happening here is once you drain the pan, replace the plug and then do the filter (once you crack the filter loose all the oil then drains down to the pan putting perhaps 1-1.5 quarts back into the pan.) you then put in your 15 quarts and thus have put in 1-1.5 quarts too many and thus possible causing the pump to work harder and causing cavitation.

we now return you to our scheduled broadcast...

hey, perhaps causing my blue smoke......

 

[bushpilot]

get 'cerself one of those fumoto valves...that way
your beers one slip outta your (previously) oily fingers...

 

[Wingdog]

i would like to pass along this psa (public service announcement)...

it seems that i may have been changing my oil WRONG since day one. it has come to my attention that the proper was to change the oil in our 6ers is to:
1. spin the cap loose (leave it in the canister)
2. crawl our fat butts underneath, pull the drain plug and let drain to a drip.
3. go back up top, replace filter, screw cap back on
4. crawl back under and put in drain plug.
5. go back up top and install 15 quarts (users choice)

now here is a different option (slight variation)
once the plug is removed some wait 10-15 minutes (or 2-3 liquid beverages) and by that time the oil has drained out of the paper element and it is pretty empty.

what i was doing (and perhaps some of you as well) was draining the pan, r&r the filter and pouring in 15 new quarts. WELL, what is happening here is once you drain the pan, replace the plug and then do the filter (once you crack the filter loose all the oil then drains down to the pan putting perhaps 1-1.5 quarts back into the pan.) you then put in your 15 quarts and thus have put in 1-1.5 quarts too many and thus possible causing the pump to work harder and causing cavitation.

we now return you to our scheduled broadcast...

hey, perhaps causing my blue smoke......

I doubt that is the reason for your blue smoke..........cause that would be way to simple of a fix. LOL

 

[bling821]

In the Navy the big thing is procedural compliance and point-read-operate. An idea for you is to laminate a copy of the procedure for an oil change. Then you need to aquire a grease pencil. Circle the "1" on step one with the grease pencil. Read step one aloud so that the supervisor can ensure that you read and understand step one. Assume step one is to loosen the oil cap but not remove it. Point to the label on the oil cap, say "loosing the oil cap, but not removing the oil cap", use diliberate action to show the supervisor which way you will turn the oil cap, then loosen the oil cap. Once the oil cap is loosened, place an X over the circle on step one to note that step one is complete. Circle step two to note that you are on step two. Continue this until the procedure is complete.

Remember that prior to starting you need to verify that you have all of the required materials and are verified to be the proper parts. You will also need to verify that you have all of the proper PPE (personal protection equipment); gloves, apron, face shield, etc. All of this needs to be documented on the QA (quality assurance) forms that you should have generated and routed for review a week in advance before beginning the oil change. You will also need the proper forms for the disposal of HAZMAT (hazardous material) which you have to rely on an incompitent person to schedule the pickup for HAZMAT.

Now, if you should accidentially remove the radiator cap instead of the oil cap...standby. You just caused a procedural violation that cannot be corrected by simply replacing the radiator cap and removing the oil cap. You will have to go to a critique with your chain of command to determine the cause of the removal of the wrong cap. This is not a "witch hunt", it is a "fact finding mission" but you know better than that and come up with a good excuse for removing the wrong cap. You suspect that maybe the Captain and the Engineer know better but buy your excuse because you are a good operator and they don't want to have to go through the extra, painful garbage that they would have to. So you walk out of there, removed from watchstanding with an upgrade that you have to finish very quickly to minimize the impact on the watchbill and keep you friends from being too mad at you.

Oh, you should also remove the battery cable and hang a "Danger Tag" on the on it that says, Danger-DO NOT OPERATE. You see, attempting to start the engine could cause personnel injury or damage to equipment. You will need the schematics to prove that removing the battery cable will remove the voltage to the engine starting circuits and thus will prevent engine starting. You will also have to prove that there is less that 30V present at the terminal so that you don't have to set up an electrical safety area to remove the battery cable. If you can't prove that then you just added an hour of work to the job.

Ensure that your division's supervisors signed the WAF (work authorization form) before they left for the day. If that didn't happen you will have to call them back in to work to sign it before you can get permission to start the oil change. You can call and sign for them if you include in your signature "via phone comm." You still may catch a bunch of crap for calling your supervisor at 7:00PM. Oh no! By the time you get everything done and permision to start work, it is 8:00PM. Now you have to call the Captain and get permission to do work past 8:00PM or explain to your supervisor in the morning why you couldn't get the oil change done the night before. Because the work controls took 2 hours is NOT a valid excuse! Also because you were forced to "field day" (clean) the truck for two hours (i.e. clean for 30 minutes, sleep in the floor board for 90 minutes) isn't valid either.


Well there you go, if you do all of your maintenace on your trucks with the same micromanagement that the Navy requires, you should never have any problems. Sorry for the rant but that's my life right now and I can't wait until I get done with this. I'm sure there are a few here who can relate.

 

[big_rooster]

aye aye captain

 

[powerboatr]

In the Navy the big thing is procedural compliance and point-read-operate. An idea for you is to laminate a copy of the procedure for an oil change. Then you need to aquire a grease pencil. Circle the "1" on step one with the grease pencil. Read step one aloud so that the supervisor can ensure that you read and understand step one. Assume step one is to loosen the oil cap but not remove it. Point to the label on the oil cap, say "loosing the oil cap, but not removing the oil cap", use diliberate action to show the supervisor which way you will turn the oil cap, then loosen the oil cap. Once the oil cap is loosened, place an X over the circle on step one to note that step one is complete. Circle step two to note that you are on step two. Continue this until the procedure is complete.

Remember that prior to starting you need to verify that you have all of the required materials and are verified to be the proper parts. You will also need to verify that you have all of the proper PPE (personal protection equipment); gloves, apron, face shield, etc. All of this needs to be documented on the QA (quality assurance) forms that you should have generated and routed for review a week in advance before beginning the oil change. You will also need the proper forms for the disposal of HAZMAT (hazardous material) which you have to rely on an incompitent person to schedule the pickup for HAZMAT.

Now, if you should accidentially remove the radiator cap instead of the oil cap...standby. You just caused a procedural violation that cannot be corrected by simply replacing the radiator cap and removing the oil cap. You will have to go to a critique with your chain of command to determine the cause of the removal of the wrong cap. This is not a "witch hunt", it is a "fact finding mission" but you know better than that and come up with a good excuse for removing the wrong cap. You suspect that maybe the Captain and the Engineer know better but buy your excuse because you are a good operator and they don't want to have to go through the extra, painful garbage that they would have to. So you walk out of there, removed from watchstanding with an upgrade that you have to finish very quickly to minimize the impact on the watchbill and keep you friends from being too mad at you.

Oh, you should also remove the battery cable and hang a "Danger Tag" on the on it that says, Danger-DO NOT OPERATE. You see, attempting to start the engine could cause personnel injury or damage to equipment. You will need the schematics to prove that removing the battery cable will remove the voltage to the engine starting circuits and thus will prevent engine starting. You will also have to prove that there is less that 30V present at the terminal so that you don't have to set up an electrical safety area to remove the battery cable. If you can't prove that then you just added an hour of work to the job.

Ensure that your division's supervisors signed the WAF (work authorization form) before they left for the day. If that didn't happen you will have to call them back in to work to sign it before you can get permission to start the oil change. You can call and sign for them if you include in your signature "via phone comm." You still may catch a bunch of crap for calling your supervisor at 7:00PM. Oh no! By the time you get everything done and permision to start work, it is 8:00PM. Now you have to call the Captain and get permission to do work past 8:00PM or explain to your supervisor in the morning why you couldn't get the oil change done the night before. Because the work controls took 2 hours is NOT a valid excuse! Also because you were forced to "field day" (clean) the truck for two hours (i.e. clean for 30 minutes, sleep in the floor board for 90 minutes) isn't valid either.


Well there you go, if you do all of your maintenace on your trucks with the same micromanagement that the Navy requires, you should never have any problems. Sorry for the rant but that's my life right now and I can't wait until I get done with this. I'm sure there are a few here who can relate.

yes sir you hit it square.....3m stuff is so funny
thanks

 

[fordtrucker4life!]

In the Navy the big thing is procedural compliance and point-read-operate. An idea for you is to laminate a copy of the procedure for an oil change. Then you need to aquire a grease pencil. Circle the "1" on step one with the grease pencil. Read step one aloud so that the supervisor can ensure that you read and understand step one. Assume step one is to loosen the oil cap but not remove it. Point to the label on the oil cap, say "loosing the oil cap, but not removing the oil cap", use diliberate action to show the supervisor which way you will turn the oil cap, then loosen the oil cap. Once the oil cap is loosened, place an X over the circle on step one to note that step one is complete. Circle step two to note that you are on step two. Continue this until the procedure is complete.

Remember that prior to starting you need to verify that you have all of the required materials and are verified to be the proper parts. You will also need to verify that you have all of the proper PPE (personal protection equipment); gloves, apron, face shield, etc. All of this needs to be documented on the QA (quality assurance) forms that you should have generated and routed for review a week in advance before beginning the oil change. You will also need the proper forms for the disposal of HAZMAT (hazardous material) which you have to rely on an incompitent person to schedule the pickup for HAZMAT.

Now, if you should accidentially remove the radiator cap instead of the oil cap...standby. You just caused a procedural violation that cannot be corrected by simply replacing the radiator cap and removing the oil cap. You will have to go to a critique with your chain of command to determine the cause of the removal of the wrong cap. This is not a "witch hunt", it is a "fact finding mission" but you know better than that and come up with a good excuse for removing the wrong cap. You suspect that maybe the Captain and the Engineer know better but buy your excuse because you are a good operator and they don't want to have to go through the extra, painful garbage that they would have to. So you walk out of there, removed from watchstanding with an upgrade that you have to finish very quickly to minimize the impact on the watchbill and keep you friends from being too mad at you.

Oh, you should also remove the battery cable and hang a "Danger Tag" on the on it that says, Danger-DO NOT OPERATE. You see, attempting to start the engine could cause personnel injury or damage to equipment. You will need the schematics to prove that removing the battery cable will remove the voltage to the engine starting circuits and thus will prevent engine starting. You will also have to prove that there is less that 30V present at the terminal so that you don't have to set up an electrical safety area to remove the battery cable. If you can't prove that then you just added an hour of work to the job.

Ensure that your division's supervisors signed the WAF (work authorization form) before they left for the day. If that didn't happen you will have to call them back in to work to sign it before you can get permission to start the oil change. You can call and sign for them if you include in your signature "via phone comm." You still may catch a bunch of crap for calling your supervisor at 7:00PM. Oh no! By the time you get everything done and permision to start work, it is 8:00PM. Now you have to call the Captain and get permission to do work past 8:00PM or explain to your supervisor in the morning why you couldn't get the oil change done the night before. Because the work controls took 2 hours is NOT a valid excuse! Also because you were forced to "field day" (clean) the truck for two hours (i.e. clean for 30 minutes, sleep in the floor board for 90 minutes) isn't valid either.


Well there you go, if you do all of your maintenace on your trucks with the same micromanagement that the Navy requires, you should never have any problems. Sorry for the rant but that's my life right now and I can't wait until I get done with this. I'm sure there are a few here who can relate.

Man that sucks. I like my own shop where there are few procedures. Doing an oil change shouldn't take more that a half hour, but that is the navy for ya'. I guess I have to understand that there are fellers there that can't tie their own shoes... so performing an oil change could be a lifelong goal for some individuals.

 

[no-red 6 0]

Bling-
Man o man. I feel your pain. Just reading that gave me a slight twinge. I did get a chuckle out of the first paragraph....but if that is the way it is in the navy, i gotta be happy i am not there - cause i don't read and follow directions too well. (i am a guy after all)

bush-
been thinkin of that lately...

all funnybusiness aside; i just wanted to pass along something that was pointed out to me that i was doing wrong and was just hoping to help out some others who may be doing the same thing....

 

[zr1pete]

AH shucks, in the Army we just paint it and forget it......

 

[Jim up north]

note on the oil change

Hey folks,
Concerning the oil change process, before you put back the new filter you are to add a quart or litre ( US quart , Canada litre) to where the filter is so that you don't start up bone dry. So 13.5 to the engine compartment , and one in the oil filter compartment.
P.S loved the navy thing
Jim up in Canada