Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel, Myths and Rumors Debunked

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I am taking it upon myself to post this as a way to dispel myths and rumors about the impending change to ultra low sulphur fuel. I’ve seen a bunch of posts on here about guys reading the new stickers that came out, and hearing stuff about ultra low sulphur diesel (ULSD), that I think we ought to put this up as a sticky to catch the poster’s attention before they post. There is a lot of speculation, and a lot of guys are convinced that they will need to buy expensive lubricity additives when it just isn’t so… Here is my attempt to clear some stuff up, as best I can…

A. The Stickers
The stickers need to be read carefully. Incautious reading and subsequent dictation of the sticker’s misunderstood contents on this board has led to a lot of the frenzy. The stickers say, in layman’s terms, that the pump dispenses LOW SULPHUR diesel fuel, which can be damaging to 2007 and NEWER vehicles, and should not be used in such.

Most confusion results in the reader’s mistaking LOW sulphur fuel for ULTRA low sulphur fuel, and then reading “AND OLDER” instead of “AND NEWER”.

The pump, in this case, is dispensing the same fuel you have been running in your truck since 1992. It is LOW sulphur diesel, (550 ppm) which we’ve been running for 15 years now without any trouble. The warning is for guys with 2007 and NEWER trucks that ABSOLUTELY MUST use ULTRA low sulphur fuel. LOW sulphur fuel will damage a 2007 and newer vehicle. That is all the sticker says. If your truck is 2006 or older, then ignore the sticker.

B. Lubricity
This particular item is usually tops in concern when it comes to ULSD, because the cheapest process to remove the sulphur also removes lubricity from the fuel. Therefore, many guys are getting on this board posting that you will have to buy expensive lubricity additives once September rolls around, or your injectors will be scored and ruined.

This is false. The important thing to keep in mind here is that the fuel companies are required by law to meet the same ASTM standard for fuel lubricity that they have been required to meet since 1992, or even before. By all accounts, there will be no change in lubricity in the finished product.

This means that your 2006 and older diesel pickup can run LSD and ULSD interchangeably and without damage to the engine/injectors/etc!

Fuel Economy[/b}
The act of removing the suphur also removes some of the “weight” of the fuel, making it a little “lighter” or “dryer”. This means that ULSD will have a reduced BTU per gallon when compared to LSD. What I have read is that ULSD will have a BTU per gallon content similar to that of biodiesel, which also has a slightly lower BTU per gallon when compared to LSD. I know guys who get BETTER fuel economy on bio than they do on LSD. Actual application of ULSD in test vehicles has produced a 1% reduction in fuel economy, on average.

Before you panic, do the math. Say you get 20 MPG right now. On ULSD, you’ll get 1% less MPG. 1% of 20 is 0.2 MPG, so you will “only” be getting 19.8 MPG on ULSD. I don’t know about you, but my truck varies in fuel economy more than that from tank to tank just because it FEELS like it. Your right foot could EASILY make up 0.2 MPG… SO, this one is just silly to worry about.

Price
This one has also been overblown. The current refining costs or a gallon of diesel are like 6 to 8 cents a gallon, including transportation, etc. from what I’ve been told. The ULSD refining costs, even if they double the refining cost (which it will not) won’t make a big difference at the pump. 6 to 8 cents a gallon is daily variablility around my home, and even at 8 cents a gallon, that only adds $3.20 to a 40 gallon fillup. BFD…

Also, from what I’ve heard, ULSD will not double refining costs, but I don’t know if they have produced a decent estimate yet, so I went with worst case scenario…

Feel free to add to this or correct any mistakes I’ve made, but I figured this would be a good way to keep guys from nail-biting and hand-wringing about this too much, as the rumors fly around like bullets in a war zone… I hope we can sticky this, too, so it stays on top for at least a little while…
 

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Hope what you say is true. Doesn't sound too bad anymore. I was beginning to think maybe buying my PSD wasn't such a wise choice. Then I remembered that I had wanted it for about 8 years and thought, "oh well". I might run bio once I get stateside anyway if its any cheaper. I'll just have to see, not as many options out here.
 

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bling821 said:
Hope what you say is true. Doesn't sound too bad anymore. I was beginning to think maybe buying my PSD wasn't such a wise choice. Then I remembered that I had wanted it for about 8 years and thought, "oh well". I might run bio once I get stateside anyway if its any cheaper. I'll just have to see, not as many options out here.
it's really not all that bad, aside from the increased cost due to the reformulation..

one thing that always gets me is, fuel companies are mandated to produce certian blends of fuels for certian smog-prone area's of the country, and the oil companies always say that because they have to produce multiple blends, and it basically all goes through the same pipe to get to it's destination, that the law of mass production applies and the cost goes up...

well heck, why not just make the "cleanest" fuel and use it everywhere?

Chicago has a different blend than Detroilet, LA has a different blend than Atlanta... who's the genius that thought up that mess?
 

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You know, Hawaii was trying to go to straight ethanol fuel out here for the gassers. No more unleaded is what they wanted. I can't understand why they are so worried about emissions over here when it all just get carried away by the trade winds. Out of sight, out of mind, right? I guess the lack of vehicles to burn that stuff rubbed that idea out.
 

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I'm more concerned with fuel economy


16/19 is good to rub in everybody's faces when they say

"Hahaha, yeah my car gets 24 to the gallon, what's that thing get?!"

"I can get 20 if I try..."

"Oh."
 

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2005Diesel said:
I'm more concerned with fuel economy


16/19 is good to rub in everybody's faces when they say

"Hahaha, yeah my car gets 24 to the gallon, what's that thing get?!"

"I can get 20 if I try..."

"Oh."
Yeah, I tell people that I get 16/18 locally and up to 21 highway. Then I add, that's really good for a truck that big, if it were a gas engine, it would do good to get 12 mpg. When you think about it, out PSD's get better mileage than the F150's, and even better than some Rangers.
 

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02SilverStroke said:
Yeah, I tell people that I get 16/18 locally and up to 21 highway. Then I add, that's really good for a truck that big, if it were a gas engine, it would do good to get 12 mpg. When you think about it, out PSD's get better mileage than the F150's, and even better than some Rangers.
Mine does better than an acquaitence's ranger, he gets 14/16
 

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Or this from a ford place
and i saw it again this morning at another diesel nut web site

i called my ford dealer here and they confirmed the info


Purpose:
The purpose of this communication is to dispel confusion over new EPA-mandated labels on service station fuel pumps. You and your customers should know that BOTH Low-Sulfur Diesel fuel and Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel fuel can be used in the '07MY Super Duty.

Background:
The EPA has mandated a migration from Low-Sulfur Diesel (LSD) to Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel (ULSD). Refiners and importers are required to sell 80% of their diesel fuel as ULSD, beginning on June 1, 2006. By October it's expected that ULSD will be widespread among retailers. The following labels are required on fuel pumps:

For ULSD: Required for use in all model year 2007 and later highway Diesel vehicles and engines. Recommended for use in all Diesel vehicles and engines.

For LSD: WARNING Federal law prohibits use in model year 2007 and later vehicles and engines. Its use may damage these vehicles and engines.

These labels are misleading. The requirement to use ULSD applies only to vehicles built with new engines in compliance with new 2007 calendar year emissions standards. It does NOT apply to carry-over engines like the 6.0L in the 2007MY Super Duty. Following is the Ford Special Service Message sent to address the issue:

Special Service Message #19217
2007 F-Super Duty vehicles built with the 6.0L diesel engine have a "carry over" 2006 style engine and are not required by federal mandate to use the Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) fuel. Until ULSD (15 ppm S) is available in October 2006, all diesel fuel pumps selling Low Sulfur Diesel fuel (500 ppm S) must use newly established labels by EPA beginning June 1, 2006. The labels for these pumps state: "WARNING Federal law prohibits use in model year 2007 and later highway vehicles and engines." This is not the case for 2007 vehicles with the carry over 2006 engines, therefore, both Low Sulfur and Ultra Low Sulfur diesel fuels can be used in these vehicles.

FAQ's

Can '07MY Super Duty and earlier model diesel trucks run on ULSD?
Yes. There are no restrictions from using ULSD.

Can '07MY Super Duty diesels run on LSD?
Yes. Although LSD may not be available in some areas as the industry switches to ULSD.

Will the new '08MY Super Duty be able to use LSD?
No, the EPA regulation prohibits this. '08MY Super Duties must use ULSD.

How do these changes impact 2007 E-Series with the 6.0L engine?
ULSD can be used in the E-Series 6.0L engines for 2007 and earlier model years. Specific information regarding the 2007 MY E-Series will be published in October 2006 consistent with Job 1 launch.
 
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knowing all this, I was going to trade up this fall, but I'm thinking I might wait 'til the '08s come out, even though I'll take it in the shorts as far as trade value...
 

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