Trans Fluid?

[david5303]

Its time to change the tranny fluid in my 04 6.0 CC F350 SRW truck. So the question is do i replace it with Mercon SP like from the factory or do i go with synthetic? What are the advantages to either? And if a synthetic which brand and is it compatible with the 5R110 trans? Thanks David

 

[DaveBen]

MERCON SP only. If you are under the warranty, you want to only use Mercon SP. If you are out of warranty, you can use anything your heart desires. But stick with Mercon SP.

Dave

 

[bushpilot]

why is it time to replace it ? theres a pan/drain interval and then
a FLUSH interval.

the flush will require at least 20 quarts...22 to be certain youve
gotten it all.

follow this proceedure <as i did> and you can perform a COMPLETE
flush in your own drive way --> Truckblog - How-To Flush Ford's Torqueshift Transmission

 

[NVJAY775]

I just talked to a trans guy a couple days ago on this subject. His name is Jimmy Converse. He's been building transmissions professionally since 72. He has done magazine articles and done a lot of work with Allison and others I am told. He said from experience the only fluids he recommends are 1st Mobil 1 synthetic and then Ams Oil synthetic. Said he used Ams oil for years and then tried the Mobil 1 and noticed the Mobil 1 held it's pink color longer than the Ams oil. But couldn't tell any difference in performance, or wear on the trans itself. I run Ams oil because it is readily available in my neck of the woods. Both are spendy, but from what I have been told, worth every penny and outlast any other fluid. Supposedly. Just my .02 Hopefully some other guys with more experience will have some more input for ya.

 

[bushpilot]

make DAMM sure those fluids are APPROVED and COMPATIBLE
SPECIFICALLY for the TorqShift 5r110....

they might be ok for the 4r100 (mercon & mercon V) but most
of them are NOT compatible w/ MERCON SP

 

[NVJAY775]

bushpilot made a good call there.

Amsoil info

I'll put up the link too, but you have to fill in the blanks to get the info.

Link
AMSOIL ONLINE PRODUCT APPLICATION GUIDE - amsoiloaf.1888420106

Copy and paste of the actual info offered.

2004 FORD TRUCKS F350 PICKUP 6.0L 8-cyl Engine Code P TurboDiesel

FILTERS
Oil Filter......... EAO88 AMSOIL Ea Oil Filter
Oil Filter......... 57314 WIX 57314 Oil Filter (O)
Oil Vapor Filter..... N/R
Air Filter......... P603577 P603577 Power Core Air Filter [1]
Fuel Filter....... FFK60 Fuel Filter for Ford 6.0L Diesel Pow ...
Trans Filter..... 57702 WIX 57702 Auto Tran Filter (O) [2]
Trans Filter..... 58968 WIX 58968 Auto Tran Filter (S) [3]
Cabin Filter..... N/A

1. Standard Power Core Version
2. 5R110W - NTZ Cartridge
3. 4R100 - 4WD





TRICO WIPER BLADES
Blade Class Driver Passenger Rear
NEOFORM T16200 T16200
EXACTFIT T201 T201
WINTER T37205 T37205
OKTANE 20 inch 20 inch



LUBRICANTS & FLUIDS
Engine Oil
Grade 1......CI-4+
SAE 15W-40 Synthetic Heavy Duty Diesel and Marine Motor Oil
Synthetic Blend 15W-40 Diesel Oil
Synthetic 5W-40 Premium Diesel Oil
Series 3000 Synthetic 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel Oil
-23 To 32°F......10W-30[1]
-29 To -1°F......5W-30, 5W-40[2]
-29 To -18°F......0W-30[2]
above -12°F......15W-40[3]
Manual Transmission,6-SPD ZF S6-650.....MA5
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Automatic Transmission,5R110W.....MSP[4]
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Automatic Transmission,5R110W.....MSP[4]
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Differential, Front .....GL-5
All Temps......90
SAE 80W-90 Synthetic Gear Lube
Severe Gear 75W-90
SAE 75W-90 Synthetic Gear Lube
Standard Differential, Rear Dana 135.....GL-5[5]
All Temps......75W-140
Severe Gear 75W-140
SAE 80W-140 Synthetic Gear Lube
Controlled Slip Differential, Rear Dana 135.....GL-5*[5][6]
All Temps......75W-140
Severe Gear 75W-140
Controlled Slip Differential, Rear Dana 80.....GL-5*[7][8]
All Temps......75W-90
Severe Gear 75W-90
Standard Differential, Rear Dana 80.....GL-5[9]
All Temps......75W-90
Severe Gear 75W-90
SAE 75W-90 Synthetic Gear Lube
Severe Gear 75W-110
Standard Differential, Rear Ford.....GL-5[9]
All Temps......75W-140
Severe Gear 75W-140
SAE 80W-140 Synthetic Gear Lube
Controlled Slip Differential, Rear Ford.....GL-5*[9][10]
All Temps......75W-140
Severe Gear 75W-140
Standard Differential, Rear S110, S130.....GL-5[11]
All Temps......75W-140
Severe Gear 75W-140
SAE 80W-140 Synthetic Gear Lube
Transfer Case,.....MA
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Torque-Drive™ Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATD)
Transfer Case,.....MA
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Torque-Drive™ Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATD)
Fluids
Power Steering Fluid.....MA5
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
Brake Fluid.....HBH
Clutch Fluid.....HBH

1. Ford TSB 05-16-6 states that SAE 10W-40 is acceptable
to use in operating temperatures from -1 °C (31 °F) to
32 °C (90 °F).SAE 10W-40 is the preferred viscosity if the
operating varies from -20 °C (-4 °F) to -1 °C (31 °F).
2. Ford TSB 05-16-6 states that the shown viscosity is
acceptable to use in the shown temperature range.
3. Ford TSB 05-16-6 states that SAE 15W-40 is acceptable
to use in operating TEMPS from -12 °C (11 °F) to
-1 °C (31 °F). SAE 15W-40 is the preferred viscosity if the
operating is above -1 °C (31 °F).
4. Mercon-SP is not interchangeable W/ Mercon, Mercon-V or
Mercon Synthetic.
5. Synthetic oil is required.
6. Add 8 oz of friction modifier Ford part no. C8AZ-19B546-A or
equivalent meeting Ford Spec EST-M2C118-A for axle refill
7. Synthetic oil is required.
8. Add 8 oz of friction modifier Ford part no. C8AZ-19B546-A or
equivalent meeting Ford Spec EST-M2C118-A for axle refill
9. Synthetic oil is required.
10. Add 8 oz of friction modifier Ford part no. C8AZ-19B546-A or
equivalent meeting Ford Spec EST-M2C118-A for axle refill
11. Synthetic oil is required.


CHASSIS LUBRICATION
Two-wheel drive
4-10 Fittings, 0 Plugs..........LM
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease
Synthetic GHD Heavy-Duty EP Grease
Synthetic Multi-Purpose Grease NLGI #2
Four-wheel drive
0-7 Fittings, 0 Plugs..........LM
Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Grease
Synthetic GHD Heavy-Duty EP Grease
Synthetic Multi-Purpose Grease NLGI #2



CAPACITIES
Engine, with filter..........15.0 quarts[1]
Cooling System, Initial Fill..........28.0 quarts[2]
AMSOIL Antifreeze and Engine Coolant
Automatic Transmission, 4R100 Initial Fill..........6.5 quarts[3]
Automatic Transmission, 5R110W Initial Fill..........7.5 quarts[3]
Automatic Transmission, Total Fill
5 speed 5R110W..........19.0 quarts
4 speed 20 plate 4R100..........17.0 quarts
4 speed 26 plate 4R100..........18.0 quarts
Manual Transmission, 6-SPD W/ OCOOL..........13.0 pints
Manual Transmission, 6-SPD W/O OCOOL..........12.0 pints
Manual Transmission, 5-SPD ZF..........6.8 pints
Differential, Dana 135 Rear..........31.0 pints
Differential, with 10.5 ring gear Rear..........7.0 pints
Differential, Dana 80 Rear..........8.4 pints
Differential, Dana 50 Front..........3.8 pints
Differential, Dana 60 Front..........5.7 pints
Transfer Case,..........4.0 pints

1. When refilling, remove dipstick to provide adequate venting
and allow oil to flow into crankcase.
2. Includes heater and 5.0 qt (4.7L) in coolant recovery
3. With ENG at operating temperature, shift through all
gears. Check fluid level in PARK and add fluid as needed.


TORQUES
Oil Drain Plug.....18 ft-lbs
Transfer case NV271
Fill Plug.....20 ft-lbs
Drain Plug.....20 ft-lbs
Manual Transmission ZF S6-650
Fill Plug.....26 ft-lbs
Drain Plug.....26 ft-lbs

 

[NVJAY775]

Here's the basic info from Mobil 1 copied and pasted

Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF
Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid

* Outperforms conventional ATF and meets General Motors' Dexron® III and Ford's Mercon® and Mercon® V requirements. Also recommended for Chrysler automatic transmissions.
* Fully synthetic formula provides outstanding resistance to oil breakdown and deposits under severe duty and high temperatures.
* Helps extend transmission life through excellent durability and protection.

Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF
For many GM, Ford and import vehicles. Recommended for use in vehicles specifying:

* Dexron III, Dexron IIIE, Dexron III-H
* Mercon, Mercon V
* Recommended for Allison C-4 and Caterpillar TO-2 applications
* Recommended for Chrysler automatic transmissions

Here's their link

Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF

 

[david5303]

The truck is at 75000 and new to me, so the safe easy thing is just drain the pan, change the external filter and replace with Mercon SP? I am having absolutely no problems, just trying to do the preventive maintance things. I just asked about the synthetic cause i know Royal Purple has a "special" trans fluid for replacement of the Mercon SP that is green in color, I just dont see it on there website at all

 

[bushpilot]

at 75k id (and just having bought it)...Id change the bypass filter.
and perform a complete flush, using MERCON SP !

heres a good link on how to change the by-pass filter -->
Transmission By-Pass Filter Replacement