Thanks Platinum, We bought 13 + acres and have plenty of room, to build the shop we want, but still the county makes a guy jump through plenty of hoops to get what you want. I know living in TX makes building and adding on alot easier, a lot less red tape and hoops to jump thru. I still haven't seen any good lay outs, or design "guidelines" for shops or garages... i was hoping for something along the lines of what they have for designing kitchens or what ever... you know like the whole triangle thing with the stove fridge and sink.... some guidelines that would cover things a guy wouldnt normally think about. Every time I go through this process I learn a few things To change on the next one, but im getting to the end of that road and want this last Shop to be as perfect as i can make it.