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bigfootpsd96

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had my first real problem this morning with my truck. forgot to plug it in and had a hard start. started up...let her warm up and left...got a block from my house and then it all when down hill. got a CEL and it start run extremely rough , clinking and clanking and soo on. touch the throttle nothing. feels like ive lost something in the high pressure system. feels way to rough to just be an injector. dunno yet still too dark look under the hood. i just need a starting direction.

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If you forgot to plug it in and you got her started and she ran then you have no problem there. They do run very rough until they get warmed up especially if its cold outside and more so if you have some glowplugs bad.

I'm going to guess that your truck is a 96 model based on your user name. More than likely you've got some fried under valve cover harnesses, possibly valve cover gaskets & possibly the connectors going to them in addition to the bad glowpugs that were more than likely the source of the problem. oh and your GPR may be bad too.

Since the 96 programs cycle gp's only when needed which is minimal when you plug your truck in this morning you needed them and they heated up and with some bad they pull more power which results in heating of the wires and frequently burns the insulation off of the wires.

Easy check is to pull the oil cap off and sniff if you smell burnt electronics that's your problem unfortunately the other side isnt' as easy unelss you want to pull the CCV off and sniff there. No quick and easy fix other than a trip to the parts store.

if it's one group see if you can get the engine to start and then pull the vc harnesses one at a time. the computer will shut down the whole bank if it sees a problem but with one unplugged it'll start to fire the other 2 cylinders in that bank.

If you have access to a code scanner get them scanned first to see what CEL you threw.


Parts you might need

Valve Cover Harness Repair Kits (contains 4 hard shells w/seals, w/o terminals)
(Ford) F7TZ-14489-BA (94-96)
(Ford) F7TZ-14489-AA (97)
(International) 1830829C91 removal tool and Shells w/o pins
(International) 1661875C1 Pins
(International) 2501055C1 Pins with 6" wire

Valve Cover Gasket (94-97)
(Ford) F4TZ-6584-A
(International) 1818350C2
Valve Cover Harness, under valve cover
(Ford) F4TZ-9D930-K (94-97)
(International) 1815923C92 (94-97)
 

bigfootpsd96

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yeah the way its running im thinking its a harness problem or ipr...dununo yet...trying to get the scann tool from my cousin.....


this sux lol
 

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the IPR will set a code but the harnesses unless it impacts an injector or the computer shuts down a bank won't and those are very noticeable.

on a hypothesizing limb.... the thicker oil could have exerted more resistance in flowing through a small crack in an o-ring resulting in a bigger crack now and so it won't maintain oil pressure now.

the IPR o-ring kit is cheap and if it hasn't been done in it's lifetime then you're due now.
 

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try to tighten the IPR nut if it's loose it'll cause what you're seeing.
 

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bigfootpsd96 said:
had my first real problem this morning with my truck. forgot to plug it in and had a hard start. started up...let her warm up and left...got a block from my house and then it all when down hill. got a CEL and it start run extremely rough , clinking and clanking and soo on. touch the throttle nothing. feels like ive lost something in the high pressure system. feels way to rough to just be an injector. dunno yet still too dark look under the hood. i just need a starting direction.

brandon
Brandon, Just a shot in the DARK---could you have a fuel gelling/wax problem/fuel heater issue???? Didn`t see where you live in your sig. Tooooooooooooooooooo often we (I have) jump to conclusions when it may be something simple.:dunno
Good luck/hope you get it solved---Joe
 

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i live in norfolk,va. nah not a wax/gelling problem. it was like 38 here. i have like 4 bad gp's thats the reason for the hard start.

i wish i remembered more from my stealership days but im with u guys. im thinking it has to be an ipr issue.

as far as my sig i filled one out but for some reason its not showing up:dunno
 

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no codes in memory, but ran KOEO self test and i got these beauties
P0605- PCED Powertrain Control Module ROM error Internal PCM failure Internal PCM failure

P0264* INJ Injector ckt low - Cylinder 2 FMEM mode, engine will run on 4 cyl. Harness short to ground


looks like the valve cover is coming off
 

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If memory serves me right the p0605 comes from the chip/programmer being present so nothing to worry about.

your sig is showing now :)
 

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Errrr, the P0603 is the KAM error (keep alive memory) that usually pops up when a chip or programmer has been used. That 605 might be trouble, I personally havent run across that one yet.
 

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