newbie advice needed

[aim300x]

Hi guys, Im new to the forums ,found this site yesterday and read for hours ,I found lots of interesting articles that have overwelmed me to be honest. I was looking into doing some upgrades but have concerns how things will work together. Ill start with my truck 97 f250hd 4x4 SC auto PSD 410gears, truck has 67,000miles,all stock, no cat. My truck is a daily driver and tows 30ft boat in summer.
409 Stainless Steel Exhaust & Exhaust Tip

DP-Tuner - 6-Pos Chip (Stock, High Idle, Tow, Economy, Race & Extreme)

Autometer (Z-series) - Pyrometer, Boost & Transmission Gauges & Triple Pillar Pod

Bully Dog Shift Kit

LIPD's D.I.Y. Intake Kit
P/N: LIPD-73P3
Price: $1099.99
I found this package and was wondering if this would be a good way to go.
I would like to keep the truck reliable ,how much hp is limit for daily driver.
I enjoy good fuel economany [currently19mpg highway 65mph 2100tack]
I cant have smoke blown all over boat, is this possable to keep semi clean.
Theres a second package deal with BPD single shot stage 1 injectors and other parts listed above for around 1700.00.
I dont know if these packages are what I should be looking at and any idea what type of increase any of these kits would produce?
Some things i did learn on forum is importance of gauges,tranny cooler.
Couple of things that confused me,adding IC would cause turbo lag, doing mods and how they affected powerband either good upper rpm or lower rpm increases.
Prices that seemed outragous afe stage 2 intake setup 375.00 ,can some1 chime in why so much and how good does this work.
Sorry for long post ,looking foward to your replies/advice

 

[BJS]

Welcome to the site and enjoy the addiction.

I'm with you in the want to keep the smoke to a minimum and that is honestly done with control of the right foot and good programming. I'm running BDP Stage 1 injectors and am testing an extreme program from Performance Injection Systems. Right now if I excercise the right foot control I see little to no smoke and if I stomp the throttle there is enough smoke to stop traffic. so yes it's possible.

Intercooler - There will be an increase in the amount of time it takes for the engine to see the boost generated with an intercooler simply because there is greater volume between the turbo and the intake valves. So it takes a little longer to pressurize the air. I've have an intercooler sitting in the garage that's waiting on me to order a tubing kit from GTS motorsports. With a larger injector or chip the lag from stock is decreased and almost eliminated so I'm figureing that I'll be no worse than stock in terms of lag but better egt's w/ lower smoke due to a more dense air charge.

The AFE intake is good and those that have them love them though I'm running my own DIY intake that is very similar to the DIY intake that LIPD lists on their site.

The stainless exhaust is nice and will last. I'm still running a pseudo stock system from the cat back. I say pseudo stock because it's still 3.5" but it's a mandrel bent piece over the rear axle. the downpipe is a DPP part and my cat puked it's guts.

 

[94f450sd]

heres the exhaust i got for mine, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...039066146QQcategoryZ33630QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem .sounds great with or without the muffler.

asyou can see by my signature i am extremely happy with beansdieselperformance.i wont buy from another company unless i have too.ryans a great person to deal with and has over the top customer service.

ive seen alot of people including myself get the BDP stage 1 injectors and either wish they did or did get stage 2s.i ended up getting the stage 2s.mine will smoke like hell i f i want it to.smoke output is also dependent on your right foot and chip program youre using.id also suggest getting the chip from BDP as he has porgrams from tony wildman that work extremely well with his injectors.you may lose a little fuel milage but the power gain is well worth it.BDP also has the TYMAR intake/filter kit.you can also build this yourself for under $100.00

a 99-up superduty humped HPOP will also help in the power department as it will give more oil to the injectors.

a modded IDM will help a little.thats still up in the air as far as being worth the time or money to do it.i felt a noticeable difference when i did mine.

turbo lag with the intercooler isnt very noticeable.but you will lose about 5 PSI boost on the cold side.wich isnt bad as your getting much cooler/denser air into the engine.go on ebaymotors and do a search for "powerstroke"you will find stock superduty and 6.0 intercoolers on there cheap.when you get an intercooler get a pipe/mount kit from GTS-motorsports.com .excellent kit .you can also gut the exhaust back pressure valve(EBPV) forr a little more flow and about a 50 degree drop in EGTs.

now since you have an auto tranny id hate to say it but with anything more than intake and exhaust mods youre on borrowed time.i killed my tranny about a month after i put the chip in.if you blow the tranny do not get a stock rebuild as you will end up in the same situation again.these guys can point you to BTS or one of the other tranny builders.i got a monsterbox from bob at WWW.DIESELSITE.com.there are few tranny mods that will help it survive longer but the others will have to point you in there direction.

 

[95_stroker]

Welcome to SDD aim300x,

You ask some very good questions. Let see if we can answer some of them.....

I would like to keep the truck reliable ,how much hp is limit for daily driver.

One of the first things we need to know is, how much do you really want out of this truck? Are you a horsepower junkie like the rest of us or is an added 50 or so HP at the wheels going to satisfy your needs? HP limits for a daily driver are easily in that 300-350 RWHP range and reliability should remain quite high (provided you dont beat the truck). Theres a few guys running around here with right at 400 hp at the rear wheels too. Then there are some with over 500 but I dont consider them daily driven trucks for the most part.

DP-Tuner - 6-Pos Chip (Stock, High Idle, Tow, Economy, Race & Extreme)

Autometer (Z-series) - Pyrometer, Boost & Transmission Gauges & Triple Pillar Pod

Bully Dog Shift Kit

LIPD's D.I.Y. Intake Kit
P/N: LIPD-73P3
Price: $1099.99
I found this package and was wondering if this would be a good way to go.

That kit would probably net you 50 to 75 horse at the wheels, which would get you in that 250+ hp range. For your towing needs, it will be a big difference over stock and you wont experience much smoke at all.

Theres a second package deal with BPD single shot stage 1 injectors and other parts listed above for around 1700.00.

That package will easily get you over 300 and possible near 350 at the wheels, I am running a very similar set up in my 95 right now, except I pieced mine together on my own rather than go with a package. I think there are advantages and disadvantages to doing it either way. In the long run you will need all of those components to get reliable horsepower. With that package, you will blow smoke once you get into the higher end settings on your chip. But in the stock or economy mode, it will perform as stock. I say, go for the biggest kit you can afford, blow some smoke, smoke some tires and smile from ear to ear............ oh sorry... Im a HP junkie.

 

[hheynow]

now since you have an auto tranny id hate to say it but with anything more than intake and exhaust mods youre on borrowed time.i killed my tranny about a month after i put the chip in.if you blow the tranny do not get a stock rebuild as you will end up in the same situation again.

Rich, I'm on the verge of ordering a 3 pos chip from DP Tuner and don't want any tranny problems. So besides just saying BTS or Suncoast, what specific tranny upgrades are you referring to? When mine was rebuilt locally 100K ago they upgraded the planetary, installed a TransGo shift kit with pump mod and I upgraded to a heavy duty torque converter then switched to Redline ATF . In your mind am I good to go?

 

[BJS]

Rich, I'm on the verge of ordering a 3 pos chip from DP Tuner and don't want any tranny problems. So besides just saying BTS or Suncoast, what specific tranny upgrades are you referring to? When mine was rebuilt locally 100K ago they upgraded the planetary, installed a TransGo shift kit with pump mod and I upgraded to a heavy duty torque converter then switched to Redline ATF . In your mind am I good to go?

you're good to go with what you have assuming it was a good quality torque converter.

Myself & 95stroker are running stock trans w/ transgo & UCC/Richter69 converter under BDP stage 1 injectors. It all has to do with the right foot for the trans but with stock injectors even maxed out you won't see problmes from the internals.

 

[aim300x]

Ok 1st i would like thank everyone for there replies
BJS at what point will it be necessary for me to get a IC? I also would like to find out what would you consider a good torque converter and what else would you throw at the tranny besides a cooler. I figure when the tranny goes i would look into one of those pro built units, also when it goes i would already have a good converter for it.

94f450sd The link for that exhaust system is the cheapest ive seen.

94f450sd wrote:
a 99-up superduty humped HPOP will also help in the power department as it will give more oil to the injectors.
a modded IDM will help a little.thats still up in the air as far as being worth the time or money to do it.i felt a noticeable difference when i did mine.

Can you please explain what the HPOP is or does, and modded IDM, Im not sure what these are Also nice savage, what motor is that. Im a member at savage-central.

95_stroker Yes i am a junkie for hp ,350rwhp sounds good to me. The fuel economy when cruising on the highway would concern me.
I found a intake set AFE54-10272 magnum II for 295.61 delivered is this a good price? It has the washable blue filter. Can someone recommend who sells a 3 gauge package at a good price, I have looked around and they seem to vary in price significantly (+/- $100)

 

[hheynow]

94f450sd The link for that exhaust system is the cheapest ive seen.

4" exhaust for less than $250.00 here

Can someone recommend who sells a 3 gauge package at a good price

here

 

[97CREWCABPSD]

just so you know you cannot reuse a torque converteronce the tranny goes.

 

[95_stroker]

Can you please explain what the HPOP is or does, and modded IDM, Im not sure what these are Also nice savage, what motor is that. Im a member at savage-central.

95_stroker Yes i am a junkie for hp ,350rwhp sounds good to me. The fuel economy when cruising on the highway would concern me.
I found a intake set AFE54-10272 magnum II for 295.61 delivered is this a good price? It has the washable blue filter. Can someone recommend who sells a 3 gauge package at a good price, I have looked around and they seem to vary in price significantly (+/- $100)

The HPOP supplies oil to run the injectors, remember are injectors are hydraulic over electric driven, commonly know as a HEUI system. The IDM is the electric portion of the combo, it supplies the voltage to the solenoid on the injector. A modded IDM simply gives more voltage to the injector so it opens faster, the Super Duty HPOP's had a slightly different angle on the dangle to supply more pressure at higher volumes, this insures better atomization of the fuel at high RPM's when the HPOP in our trucks likes to run out of poop so to speak.

As far as economy goes? When I bought my truck in complete stock trim about 2 years ago I got an average of 15 mpg combo highway/town driving. I havnet dyno'd so I dont know my HP level, but I would guess I am in the 300-325 range? I now get about 17 mpg on combo driving and I have had a few tanks that were strictly highway miles that went into the very very high 19's (19.9xxx). If you get with a good chip burner like DP Tuner (one of our sponsors), they have the ability to tune your truck for economy and also for hang the hell on.

I would consider going with a Tymar type filter setup, go to Beans Diesel Performance website and take a look at the open intake setup. its quite abit cheaper than what you have listed for the AFE.