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Hoss,

You've received some very good advice above, especially Maxtor's. I've found the best decisions I've made were AFTER my emotions had subsided. People take you a lot more seriously when you are calm, cool and well thought out; not when you are emotional.

That being said, it definitely sounds like your boss/the company has taken advantage of your hard work and you unwillingness to "tip the apple cart". Like you, I've always expected my supervisors to back up what the say they will do. I would approach your manager, like you suggested, and explain to him your concerns. Tell him what you thought had happened and that you were never corrected when putting your new title on business cards, auto-sigs, etc. Ask your boss why you weren't told that this was inaccurate 3 years ago. Don't worry about the political implications....those are your managers to worry about, not yours.

After you have talked to you manager, start looking for a new job. I'm not suggesting that you leave at this point, but you need to know what your options are. Find out what the market is like. You may find that the company is taking advantage of poor market for your job qualifications and you are stuck having "to take it" until the market improves. I've worked for companies like that, and when the market improved they had mass exoduses and they wondered why.:rolleyes:

In the end, you have to be prepared to leave if you have truly been wronged (which it sounds like you have). I, for one, am not an escalation guy. If my supervisor is unable/unwilling to fix these kind of issues then he can explain to his bosses why a hard working, producing, motivated employee just suddenly left. If his bosses have any salt, they will talk to you before you leave and "get the rest of the story". Poor management is the companies problem, not yours. At least, until you get in a position to change it.

As another piece of advice, I can tell you that leaving a good paying job for a lower paying job has made me a much happier person. Getting a good paycheck doesn't always make a job worthwhile. As I've gotten older, I've found that flexibility and a management that understands I have a life outside of the job is priceless.

I'm also and optimist. I know that things will work out for you and your family in the long run, regardless of what happens. Just have some faith and know that hard work does pay off.

John



P.S. I expect you to take your mind off of work for about 30 minutes and enter the essay contest. A little new bling for truck will make you smile for a little while.;)
 

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hoss-

take a personal day and consult an employment lawyer and start looking for a new job.

you have documentation on your aledged promotion to PM3? business cards right? documentation from reviews? HR type letters? are you salaried or hourly?

billing- if you were getting billed out at a rate higher than your position, then the company committed fraud, on multiple levels, especially if there was any government work involved. this is in your favor. its not unlike saying that the company is paying prevailing wages and actually paying them. you are the guy who is getting shafted.

how big is your company? is there HR? go straight to the head of HR. if no HR, go straight to the CEO, skip the middle bosses. screw your manager, he will probably get reprimanded on this one, unless he is the ceo's blood relative. sounds like you have some relationship with CEO. bring this to his attention and express that you want to resolve amicably. remind him of your years of faithful service and how much money they have made off of you.

resume: resumes are kinda bogus nowdays anyhow. technically, even if you felt compelled to honestly put down PE as title, your description would read PM3 right?

wife: i don;t have one, but from observation in corporate engineering firms, don;t decide on anything before advising/consulting your wife... "behind every good man is a great woman" and "behind every great architect is a greater engiener"

titles: it is illegal and unethical in almost all states to refer to yourself as 'engineer' without being registered as PE or SE. you know this already though.

hang in there

dennis, PE, SE
 

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Hoss,

I'm guna throw in my .02 on this.. based on my own exsperiences and 25 years in Management.

You have the right, as an Employee, to ask for a current status of your position within the Company. A "Desk, or Position Audit".

Over the next few weeks, re-think your entire history with this company. Write yourself some notes about Dates, Times, Projects, Conversations and Promotions. Both verbal and written, inter-departmental meeting minutes and notes can help.

Just personal observation, on my part, but you are very articulate individual, with the "written word". Prepare a professional, well written, Letter of Inquirey. Don't point fingers, name names or in any way, Whine. Compose it in a way that simply asks questions about issues that you request some clarification on.

E-mail the letter to your Boss. Ask him for a written responce. Check his responce (time) when you send it to him. Let him know that this is, at this time, between you and him. If he is not timely in his responce or if it's negative ? Re-email it as a "Package", through the company organazational structure, addressed to ALL, but ONLY ALL that would need to see, read and respond to it. But not the CEO (yet), keep it Personal & Private. Give the "Structure", time to fix or explain the issues.

If their collective responces are not acceptable, or inacurate ? Respond in a professional (be kind) but dis-satisfied manner, to all concerned.. including.. the CEO. Give the whole company organization, time to respond.

Be >some-what< flexable. Often, there is an "Alternative Resolution" to the issues you are concerned about.. it just takes some Firm but Professional understanding, and Action from you, the employee.

Act on it Hoss. The Stress will only get worse.
 

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A lot of people here make good points.
I've been inthe corporate world for a while now. When you go to talk to someone, one of there first questions is going to be who you talked to prior to them.
1) always follow the chain of command
2) its Ok to go up the ladder but only a step at a time

Bottom line is I dont want my boss coming to me and asking about something I havent had a chance to resolve. Give them a chance, and then move to the next step if you dont like the results.
 
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I agree, use the ladder/chain of command. But do not be afraid to move up a step until this is resolved. Just don't skip rungs.
 

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If you are in a corporation I wold assume you have an HR department. Go to them with this. Your manager has been severely negligent in his duties and I am sure they will handle him accordingly. I have gone to HR where I work and they took care of the problem quite nicely.
 

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I feel for you Hoss and in a way am in your shoes so to speak. I hope your situation has a positive outcome.
 

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Some more info came to light today. Turns out that my boss feels like crap about the whole thing. It was his mistake, and his earlier attitude was a horrible attempt at making light of the situation because he felt bad and didn't want to make a big deal out of it. A people person he has never been accused of being.

Anyway, he's gone to his boss with the situation, and I guess I'll hear back today about what can be done to make this all right. At least now this has moved up the ladder one more rung, and isn't being kept a secret from the higher uppers. If his boss can't do anything, then we'll have to see when that happens. Thanks all for your advice and support. This has sucked for me.
 

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That bites! I had the same experience last year. What I learned is continue to do your job very well. Don't let this effect you as a person or a worker. Continue the fight for justice at work, start looking for a new job, outside the company or inside the company (even if you are happy, the Perfect job may come along and you need to be there waiting) If things work out Great, if not you are already on the market and so hang on till that better offer comes.

But never under any circumstanses would I quit until I have another job, like everyone has stated before, otherwise you may end up losing in the long run.
Then if the company really likes you, they will counter-offer to keep you.

hang in there
 

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