Michigan Discriminates Against Retired Veterans

[EmptyDub]

At the risk of being stoned to death.... I disagree on the "discrimination" factor. I have nothing but the greatest respect, admiration, and gratitude for those that serve in the military. However, I'm currently a federal employee working as a term appointment and haven't been able to be hired as a permanent employee because of a veteran getting "preference points" on the application. It really sucks when you've worked at a job for several years, have more experience, more education and more qualifications than anybody else on the list. Yet you're still not the number one candidate because someone else has more points than you just because they served in the military??? If you served in the military and were not compensated, I could accept it better. I know military personnel are not paid what they should be (I have several family members in the military now, so I know all about the small paychecks), but that was a choice they made. As far as the retired veterans go, you're recieving your pension?? I'm not saying that you're living like a king but you are getting a pension check. If someone retires from a civilian job at age 45-50, is drawing their pension from that job, and is looking at a second career- should they get special treatment just because they retired early? No.
My point is: everyone has a hard time finding a job and making a living these days. It's not right that job placement is NOT based on experience or qualifications anymore- it's based on your age, your nationality, your sex, your race, whether you're handicapped or a veteran, etc. Just my opinion... and we all know what opinions are like!
Ok, let the beatings begin!

 

[kenholl]

At the risk of being stoned to death.... I disagree on the "discrimination" factor. I have nothing but the greatest respect, admiration, and gratitude for those that serve in the military. However, I'm currently a federal employee working as a term appointment and haven't been able to be hired as a permanent employee because of a veteran getting "preference points" on the application. It really sucks when you've worked at a job for several years, have more experience, more education and more qualifications than anybody else on the list. Yet you're still not the number one candidate because someone else has more points than you just because they served in the military??? If you served in the military and were not compensated, I could accept it better. I know military personnel are not paid what they should be (I have several family members in the military now, so I know all about the small paychecks), but that was a choice they made. As far as the retired veterans go, you're recieving your pension?? I'm not saying that you're living like a king but you are getting a pension check. If someone retires from a civilian job at age 45-50, is drawing their pension from that job, and is looking at a second career- should they get special treatment just because they retired early? No.
My point is: everyone has a hard time finding a job and making a living these days. It's not right that job placement is NOT based on experience or qualifications anymore- it's based on your age, your nationality, your sex, your race, whether you're handicapped or a veteran, etc. Just my opinion... and we all know what opinions are like!
Ok, let the beatings begin!

That was my point in my original post. This is a matter of perspective, and the feds and state are sensitive to that. My understanding is that this ACT was intended to help military personel assimilate back into civilian life. If so, I would suggest that it was ever intended to be a lifelong benefit that can be pulled out of the pocket at time of your choosing, especially after retirement.

Again, I think the emotion associated with this ACT comes back to the spirit of the bills original intent, and the perspective of those who are affected by it, and I understand both perspectives.

I believe that the feds and the states were trying to maintain some balance when putting these qualifications in place.

Emptydub, I do not believe that your opinion warrants a flaming. You were simply adding a different perspective, and it is valid.

 

[powerboatr]

That was my point in my original post. This is a matter of perspective, and the feds and state are sensitive to that. My understanding is that this ACT was intended to help military personel assimilate back into civilian life. If so, I would suggest that it was ever intended to be a lifelong benefit that can be pulled out of the pocket at time of your choosing, especially after retirement.

Again, I think the emotion associated with this ACT comes back to the spirit of the bills original intent, and the perspective of those who are affected by it, and I understand both perspectives.

I believe that the feds and the states were trying to maintain some balance when putting these qualifications in place.

Emptydub, I do not believe that your opinion warrants a flaming. You were simply adding a different perspective, and it is valid.

i agree your perspective is different and valid but...















let the beatings begin

let me salt the pot more
ME as a severly disabled vet bumps your other vet card and moves me ahead of both youz guys
thats why i am going back to schoool fool and go back as an industrial hygienist or a safety nazi

TG keep pushing and asky why

 

[BIG JOE]

As a retired Vet, and a Retired Federal Civil Service, Manager.. who did Hire'n & Fire'n of employees, I can Honestly and Truly see and understand Both sides of this.

The "Hire A Vet" was a Buzz Word type, unofficially supported program after WW-II. Then the Veterans Preference [Plan] was written into the Federal & most State Labor Regs. In the beginning, it was to simply HELP assimilate the Korean, then Vietnam Vets back into the American Work Force. The guy or gal who served for a time, got out, and needed a job (?)...by giving them a 5 point preference.... or 10 plus points, for the Disabled Vet.. to add a little boost to their chances of being hired.. providing the Vet is Qualified for the job. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AT THE ENTRY LEVEL<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

That's It. Simply put.

Being a RETIRED VET, has nothing to do with it... accept during a "Reduction in Force".. the <Retired>Vet will get lay-ed off first, over others, because he/she at least has some sort of income, albeit small.

But, as with everything in life, there Are inequities...

The 80s & 90s Administration changed a lot of the verbiage and thrust of Veteran Employment programs. At both the State & Federal levels. (IMO, and experiences)

Good Luck TG

 

[kenholl]

As a retired Vet, and a Retired Federal Service, Manager.. who did Hire'n & Fire'n of employees, I can Honestly and Truly see and understand Both sides of this.

The "Hire A Vet" was a Buzz Word type, unofficially supported program after WW-II. Then the Veterans Preference [Plan] was written into the Federal & most State Labor Regs. In the beginning, it was to simply HELP assimilate the Korean a Vietnam Vets back into the American Work Force. The guy or gal who served for a time, got out, and needed a job (?)...by giving them a 5 point preference.... or 10 plus points, for the Disabled Vet.. to add a little boost to their chances of being hired.. providing the Vet is Qualified for the job. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AT THE ENTRY LEVEL<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

That's It. Simply put.

Being a RETIRED VET, has nothing to do with it... accept during a "Reduction in Force".. the <Retired>Vet will get lay-ed off first, over others, because he/she at least has some sort of income, albeit small.

But, as with everything in life, there Are inequities...

The 80s & 90s Administration changed a lot of the verbiage and thrust of Veteran Employment programs. At both the State & Federal levels. (IMO, and experiences)

Good Luck TG

EXCELLENT explanation from someone who knows. Thanks for the insight, GREAT post!!!

Tailgunner, I would recommend working with the VFW, and getting them behind you. You will have much more clout with the backing of a recognized institution. Good luck!