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as i have come to understand the term Direct Injection this means that fuel is sprayed directly into the cylinders and due to the compression of the piston causes the fuel to ignite. therefore a spark plug is demed useless.

now with that said the new mazda commercial i saw (for there new suv) says Direct Injected Turbo Charged (GAS).. i just wanted to know what am i missing. dont i not understand the meaning of Direct injection...:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
please help me to understand.
 

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oi8228oi said:
as i have come to understand the term Direct Injection this means that fuel is sprayed directly into the cylinders and due to the compression of the piston causes the fuel to ignite. therefore a spark plug is demed useless.

now with that said the new mazda commercial i saw (for there new suv) says Direct Injected Turbo Charged (GAS).. i just wanted to know what am i missing. dont i not understand the meaning of Direct injection...:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
please help me to understand.
While I was totally unaware that gasser DI technology had hit production in the US, I have been aware of DI gasser technology for a couple years, now. It works in more or less the same way that DI diesel injection works, only it still has a spark plug.

It allows for higher compression ratios, higher boost from super/turbochargers, etc, without detonation (pre-ignition). Since the injection event dictates timing, the fuel cannot pre-ignite, since it will not be injected until it is supposed to ignite.

Many DI gasser theories also include elimination of the throttle plate, which will boost partial-throttle efficiency.

This is also called "lean burn" technology, and I hope it is becoming the wave of the future. Think fuel economy like a diesel, with great horsepower.

As of yet, emissions has kept DI gasser technology from the market, since the way a 3-way catalyst works relies on the engine being at or near stochiometric (in fact, alternating back and forth from rich to lean) This is because, of the 3-"ways" inside the catalyst, one of them relies on a rich burn (anaerobic), while the other two rely on a lean burn (aerobic), to accomplish their tasks. In DI gasser tech (as in diesel tech) the rig almost exclusively runs lean (unless it is puking black smoke, then it is rich...) and therefore eliminates the 3rd "way" from working properly. This is the "way" that eliminates NOx, so "lean burn" rigs create lots of untreatable NOx (includes both gasser and diesel).

To fix this problem, they have to EGR the ever loving crap out of them. In fact, some new DI systems include ports in the head to "swirl" EGR gasses around the outside of the charge, to create a more efficient NOx-block.

Anyway, hope this helps. I have no idea if this is indeed what this Mazda rig actually is or not, but I can't imagine that they can advertise DI if it is really not.
 

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oi8228oi said:
as i have come to understand the term Direct Injection this means that fuel is sprayed directly into the cylinders and due to the compression of the piston causes the fuel to ignite. therefore a spark plug is demed useless.
You've confused two separate concepts here. The first concept is direct injection, which means that the fuel is injected right into the cylinder right at or just before the desired point of ignition.

The second concept is compression ignition, which means that the high compression of the engine ignites the fuel itself, without the aid of a spark plug.

Neither one depends on the other. There are non-direct injected compression ignition engines (the older Indirect Injection diesels like the Ford 6.9, etc). There are direct-injected non-compression ignition engines, too. The new DI gassers have spark plugs to ignite the fuel, even though they are DI.

Hope this helps to clear your confusion...
 

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2 concepts, 4 realities

as hoss pointed out, injection and ignition are 2 different concepts. gas motors are spark ignition. diesels are compression ignition.

with typical gas motor fuel injection, the injectors are mounted to the intake manifold. they inject fuel into the intake air on its way into the cylinder. this give the gas time to vaporize/evaporate. the injectors typically are individually controlled- multiport fuel injection. i gues you could call it IDI since the fuel is injected outside of the cylinder.

with GAS DI, the injection timing is variable too. it can be just before spark, (TDC +/-), the lean burn condition; or on the piston downstroke before compression stroke so the gas-air mixture can be more uniform. the second is the more 'powerful' oft he two. the spark plug still ignites the mixture.

diesel fuel is not volatile. so, all diesel motors inject the fuel into the compressed air when the piston is at or about top dead center. this is general terms.

IDI vs DI-

IDI diesels have a precombustion chamber, ~20cc in volume. the injector injects into their and the combustion starts there and burns into the main chamber. try to find a cross section or cutaway picture of a 6.9 or early 7.3 to see what i am talking about.

DI diesels squirt right into the main cylinder. this is late model 7.3, 6.0, ...

wiki has a good page on it too-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_Direct_Injection
 
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and one more wrench
is the mazda a rotary engine?
which in itself is a very efficent powerplant and responds nicely to systems that increase the manifold pressure. :D
 

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nope not the new rotaryregnesis engine they are only putting those in the RX-8s

I they are used in the new CX-7 wagons
 

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